Canada threatens to pull soldiers from Afghanistan
As we’ve discussed already on this blog much of the heavy lifting in Afghanistan is being done by a handful of NATO members: the US, UK, Canada, Netherlands, and Denmark. All, including the US, are overstretched but perhaps none more so than the Canadian Forces. Canada has superb, professional light infantry but the country basically started to claim its Cold War peace dividend about two and a half decades before the Cold War actually ended. It’s a small force, chronically overstretched and underfunded. I’m not sure if it’s starting to crack or Prime Minister Harper is bluffing–maybe both, actually. Anyway, read on:
OTTAWA (Reuters) – Canada will pull its 2,500 troops out of Afghanistan early next year unless NATO sends in significant reinforcements, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said on Monday, signaling Ottawa has lost patience with what it sees as foot-dragging by allies.
The minority Conservative government wants the soldiers to stay beyond their current withdrawal date of February 2009 but in another potential threat to the mission, the main opposition Liberal Party expressed doubts about the idea of an extension.
Harper, who is exasperated at the refusal of many other NATO nations to commit more troops to Afghanistan, said the Alliance’s failure to provide enough forces meant the whole future of the organization was under serious threat.
So far, 78 Canadian soldiers and a diplomat have died since Ottawa deployed troops to Afghanistan in 2002.
Not surprisingly, U.S. says no to Canada’s request for more troops. They’re already heavily committed. Anyway, Harper’s threat is not aimed at Washington but at Brussels where it seems Canada’s demand is getting some attention:
OTTAWA–Canada’s Afghanistan ultimatum will be at the top of the agenda when NATO defence ministers meet in Lithuania in one week’s time, a spokesperson for the military alliance said yesterday.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper said this week that Canada’s 2,500 soldiers in Kandahar must be backed up by an additional 1,000 troops from another country or he will pull out of the Afghan mission in February 2009.
NATO spokesperson James Appathurai said he is optimistic NATO can find more soldiers, but indicated that Harper’s threat has caused some alarm at NATO headquarters in Brussels.
“Clearly there is an issue in Kandahar and this will certainly be discussed in Vilnius,” he said, referring to the Lithuanian capital where defence ministers will gather on Feb. 7 and 8.
I think a week from now will be make or break time for NATO in Afghanistan. Reports suggest that the seriousness of the issue is recognized and that 10 countries have agreed to boost the numbers of their troops on the ground. That’s good news, to be sure; but where will they be deployedand what operational restrictions will be placed on their employment?
The Canadian position is spelled out in detail in the Manley Report: Independent Panel on Canada’s Future Role in Afghanistan which is interesting reading. I find it hard to fault the recommendations:
Canada should assert a stronger and more disciplined diplomatic position egarding Afghanistan and the regional players. Specifically, Canada, in concert with key allies, should press for:
a. Early appointment of a high-level civilian representative of the UN Secretary-General to ensure greater coherence in the civilian and military effort in Afghanistan;
b. Early adoption by NATO of a comprehensive political-military plan to address security concerns and imbalances, especially the need for more troops to bolster security and expedite training and equipment for the Afghan National Security Forces;
c. Forceful representations with Afghanistan’s neighbours, in particular with Pakistan, to reduce the risks posed to regional stability and security by recent developments in that country; and
d. Concerted efforts by the Afghan government to improve governance by tackling corruption and ensuring basic services to the Afghan people, and pursuing some degree of political reconciliation in Afghanistan.
But, you know, the devil’s in the details. What are the chances of all this coming together? I guess we will see in Vilnius next week if it makes a start.
Another Afghanistan related item: I am halfway through Antonio Giustozzi’s Koran, Kalashnikov and Lap-Top: The Neo-Taliban Insurgency in Afghanistan. I highly recommend it. Giustozzi freely admits to no prior immersion in the COIN literature or practice but more than any other other I’ve read lately he gets it.
Finally, apologies for light posting of late. I’ve had (still have) a mountainous pile of marking to get through.
Thursday, 31, January, 2008 at 2:19 pm |
David, It has been my experience that Canada is not shy about saying what it needs or what it expects. Back when I was working in NATO and the whole issue of the NATO Headquarters restructuring was sitting on the table, with no real forward movement; Canada threatened to pull out all its staff officers from the various headquarters. The threat didn’t cause much action but did raise discussion. However, the following summer Canada carried out its promise with various Canadian staff officers rotated home with no replacements inbound. Funny how the NATO restructuring plan started taking shape right after that.
Sometimes it appears that the two North American nations trade off who will be going public next on a problem with NATO. I also suspect that sometimes issues raised by Canada are treated with a little more respect than when the US brings up the same issue, mainly because Canada seems to target its remarks with greater precision.
Thursday, 31, January, 2008 at 2:59 pm |
Hey Jay, ‘Sometimes it appears that the two North American nations trade off who will be going public next on a problem with NATO.’
You know I had just that thought. While writing the post I was thinking of the kerfuffle over Gates last week. That said, much as I hope that Canada’s bitching will help in the short term, in the long term they really have got to put their money where their mouth is. This is a G8 country with a population of 30+ million and it struggles to keep 2,500 troops in the field? This is the same country that had its own beach on D-Day? It pains me to say it as a Canadian (albeit non-resident; hmmm, connection there?) that internationally Canada loves to talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk the establishment is very much focussed on the bottom line. Defence spending between 1.0 and 1.2 per cent of GDP sustained over 20+ years is pathetic. It’s not like they’ve been pouring the balance into foreign aid either as they’re still struggling I believe to reach a target of 0.7% of GDP on that. Lots of NATO countries are relatively stingy on defence-they all are relative to the US. They tend to be relatively generouos on aid. Canada’s more consistently stingy.
Thursday, 31, January, 2008 at 9:55 pm |
I just finished Guistozzi’s book and I can’t recommend it enough. It’s simply the best primer on the insurgency since 2001 out there.
Friday, 1, February, 2008 at 2:53 pm |
Meanwhile, the US is crying out for a few thousand more troops for Afghan but seemed to have no problem finding tens of thousands more for Teh Surge… well, I’m sure that training policemen in Baquba is far more important to the security of the West than, oh, HUNTING AND KILLING OSAMA BIN LADEN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
Friday, 1, February, 2008 at 11:22 pm |
ajay,
Actually, US forces in Iraq are declining and will decline to pre-surge levels over the next six months.
Saturday, 2, February, 2008 at 3:42 am |
[...] weight in Afghanistan, and Canada now threatening to withdraw its troops, it does appear as if the wheels are coming off NATO’s [...]
Saturday, 2, February, 2008 at 6:59 pm |
Yo betz451
Before you question Canada’s military or world contribution, perhaps you should consider that 10% of the world’s peacekeeping forces have been Canadian, having served on 45 missions in the last 50 or so years.
It has fielded a first class armed forces in combat and you presume to ask how much money it’s putting into it’s military? We came to Americas aid and have lost over 70 people to show for it. We have consistently fought side by side with our friends for a century and not one non-Canadian soldier in that time has had to die for Canada. You have the audacity to pompously make judgments on Canada, perhaps thinking that the US has been protecting it for all this time. Here is a bit of news…security in Canada has in fact been threatened by US actions. Canadians can take care of themselves.
Yet we STILL field support to our friends and kick some royal ass when we do. If any country has earned a peace dividend, Canada has.
Spending money on bullets that sit in crates doesn’t equate to pulling one’s weight.
Sunday, 3, February, 2008 at 9:14 pm |
Yo Defence Spending!
You think I’m criticizing Canadian soldiers? Why don’t you read what I actually wrote. You know, the bit about the superb infantry, the proud military history… I spent 5 years in the Canadian Forces and I never knew anyone in uniform who really gave a crap about peacekeeping and that was back in the day when a trip to Cyprus would have been the highpoint. Sure it made Canada’s politicians happy; it kept our diplomats invited to all the best parties; it fit with post-war Canada’s shiny-happy people image of itself; but for soldiers, it always seemed, and was, a perfect rationalization for a defence budget that hovered around 1% of GDP and thus never allowed enough funds for the weapons, equipment, training and personnel needed for actual, you know, war.
Canadian troops are fighting their hearts out in Afghanistan and you think the country’s earned a peace dividend? How about spending the dosh to equip your troops properly or raise and train a larger force? How many regulars are in the CF? 60,000? Out of a population of 30 million. Sounds to me like a handful of Canadian soldiers are pulling a hell of a lot of weight for a lot of Canadians who are doing, what? Bitching that no foreigners have died for Canada lately it would seem.
I’ve thought a lot about Canada’s contribution to the world over the years and I stand by what I said. For thirty years at least it has combined the loudest internationalist rhetoric with a stingy public purse when it comes to defence AND aid. Fact. You don’t like it? Take a cold, hard look at your own history. Think that’s ‘pompous’? Buy a dictionary.
Monday, 4, February, 2008 at 2:36 am |
Canada will be between 15-18 Billion on defense spending this year. How much more do you think it needs to spend? Why would you measure as a %age of GDP anyways?
If you had a clue, you would realize that our forces are well equipped there. But you don’t have a clue do you?
As for your service record, what regiment and rank and who did you serve under?
Monday, 4, February, 2008 at 10:40 am |
Keep talking Defense Spending, I think you’re establishing who has a clue here and who does not quite effectively. You’re confused by why I use military expenditure as a percentage of GDP probably because you obviously don’t bother with such things as basic research. If you’d ever looked at standard sources for comparison of data on military spending such as The Military Balance or SIPRI then you’d know that military expenditure as a percentage of GDP is a standard measure.
Tell me, Defense Spending, how is it you’ve formed this strong view of the wonderful state of health of the equipment, training and manpower of the CF? Are you a soldier, perhaps? I’m curious how much would YOU spend on defence? But since you’ve asked I would say that even doubling it over four years would still only put it above the NATO average but below the US and UK in GDP %age terms.
Monday, 4, February, 2008 at 2:23 pm |
Snicker.
Standard measure to whom…the military or the politicians you have such disdain for.
FYI…the numbers you are using are at least 4-5 years old. We have top of the notch infantry equipment including howlitzers that the US doesn’t even have yet. Upon delivery of our heavy lift aircraft, we will have GREATER capability than the UK. We have superb tanks on the ground. We have killed enemy in far greater numbers than the French and the Germans combines in Afstan and you complain about our defense spending. Get your head out of the ground and stop playing wannabe soldier until you get a clue. Defense spending is not hindering the Canadian military much.
Monday, 4, February, 2008 at 3:32 pm |
“Actually, US forces in Iraq are declining and will decline to pre-surge levels over the next six months.”
True. So there’ll only be 130,000 troops wasting their time in Iraq while Afghanistan commanders remain critically short of men, rather than 160,000.
Wednesday, 6, February, 2008 at 5:06 pm |
‘Snicker’? Are you Beavis or the other one? Really, the way in which you mix snideness, casual obnoxiousness and ignorance is quite off-putting DS. As an aside, are you even Canadian because, you know, you spell like an American.
Standard measure for those who wish to make informed judgments about relative defence spending among diverse nations. Isn’t that obvious? Anyway, yes, disdain does more or less capture my feeling toward Canadian politicians on the matters of defence and forerign affairs; on more general matters of Canadian politics ambivalence would be more apt. This is all by the by, however, what perplexes me is the source of your apparent high regard for them.
As for my numbers, FYI, they’re not 4-5 years old. They are from the 2007 edition of the Military Balance which is as up to date as you will get until they publish the 2008 edition. But then again you are really not all that bothered by accuracy it would seem, since you describe the defence budget as being between 15 and 18 billion this year.
As for your examples of how everything is all hunky-dory, well, believe what you want. Let me just pick up on two of your points.
This one:
‘We have killed enemy in far greater numbers than the French and the Germans combines in Afstan and you complain about our defense spending.’
Suggests that you haven’t the faintest idea about counterinsurgency. It is ironic for someone with such a chip on his/her shoulder about the US to start talking loudly about the fantastic body count your army is racking up, don’t you think?
And this one:
‘Defense spending is not hindering the Canadian military much.’
Is just absurd. This is a joke, right? Seriously, have you read ANY analyses of the Canadian defence establishment from, oh, the last three decades?!
Wednesday, 6, February, 2008 at 6:38 pm |
…since you describe the defence budget as being between 15 and 18 billion this year.
Lets see.
2004-5 spending was 14 Billion
2005 budget -$12.8 billion additionally allocated over five years
2006 budget -$5.3 billion over five years added
Looks pretty good to me.
2008 looks like 16,900,000,000 US
Ranked 14th in the world.
behind US, France, UK, China, Germany, Japan, Russia, Italy, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Brazil, India and Australia.
Canada ranked 36th in the world by population and 8th in the world by GDP.
Why not by GDP? Because on a weighted basis of population and GDP, we would be burning money relative to other countries. Why not GDP? Because using a purchasing parity index, canada is ranked 12th in the world…not 8th
Your opinions just don’t jive with the facts do they? Now shut the hell up and hit the books again.
What is past is past but spending approaching double what it used to be.
Shaking more cash before the military can absorb it is utter stupidity.
Wednesday, 6, February, 2008 at 7:34 pm |
Wow DS. Your powers of argument are amazing. You’ve really convinced me. Canada: generous internationalist power with no structural military deficiencies stemming from chronic fiscal neglect of defence. What I see as a state of enervation of the CF is actually one of towering strength. I should also add that you, personally, really confirm the stereotype of the not a hint of sanctimoniousness, diplomatic, reasoned and persuasive Canuck. You’re a credit to the nation. Keep waving that flag. I’d love to draw you on the topic of the rate at which you think the CF could absorb extra funding. I’m sure you’d have some incredible insights to share about what we should invest in. But I guess I’d better hit the books first. I’m afraid I won’t be able to ’shut the hell up’, however; it is my site after all. Perhaps you might consider it though.
Thursday, 7, February, 2008 at 10:01 am |
Gentlemen. You can’t fight in here. This is the War Room! (10 bonus points to those can correctly identify the provenance of this quotation.)
This is not the stand-up table in the Snake Pit or the Jr NCOs mess in Petawawa. Some decorum and respect, please. Healthy and intellectual debate requires this, au minimum. Du calme, s’il vous plait.
Now, then. Dear DS, please don’t believe the screech coming from the Big Cod. All is not right in the Canadian Forces. There are doing a helluva job, to be sure, under the circumstances. However, no CI fight was ever won with cargo planes and artillery pieces.
No one is doubting or questioning the ‘pound for pound’ quality of Canadian soldiers. However, the CF has some serious, systemic shortcomings (in terms of kit, training, recruitment, retention, operational tempo, the balance of HQ positions vs those in the field, and many, many more). A small example to illustrate what I mean: despite funding for 3600 new positions being given to the Army, the field force grew by only 7 (I say again, 7) trained effective soldiers last year. A lot of people were recruited, but a lot were assigned to non-field billets, and a lot more people resigned or retired.
Your are correct in saying that money is not the solution. It is time and money which are needed to effect real improvement. But first there needs to be a realisation of the nature of the problem.
If you don’t believe Dr Betz, then check out the Auditor General’s 2006 review of Department of National Defence (look it up yourself, there’s a good boy).
Okay, that was offside, but I couldn’t resist.
Thursday, 7, February, 2008 at 11:06 am |
The quote is, of course, from Dr Strangelove, from the very mouth of Gen. Buck Turgidson.
Fair sentiment from FB. But must say the DS-DB slog it out match had me laughing aloud into my post-swim morning coffee. Thanks fellas.
I guess DB would “hit the books” if he cd, but he can’t. We’re not allowed books in the the War Studies Dept. Something about the load-bearing capability of our offices on the 6th and 7th floors of the historic South Range in King’s College. Apparently it can barely take the weight of our enormous brains.
“Mein Fuhrer! I can walk!”
Thursday, 7, February, 2008 at 11:13 am |
I guess if Canada doesn’t want to spend money relative to GDP (like the rest of the world does) they should give up the patronising, holier-than-thou, ‘the world needs more Canada’ malarkey. One or the other: put up, or shut up.
Thursday, 7, February, 2008 at 12:53 pm |
Pedant
Reread my comment on purchase parity. It is by far a better measure than GDP.
Thursday, 7, February, 2008 at 1:22 pm |
DS,
My point stands regardless of the metric indicated: if Canada wants to take a ‘leadership role’ in the world (as its politicians and senior officers claim), then it has to spend ‘the required amount’, not just ‘what it can get away with’.
Friday, 4, April, 2008 at 6:26 pm |
look if Canada spent 1% gdp on the army it would be about 100 billion this amount would be enough to make the army invincible to the talaban than it would be imposible to bring harper down wich would be dread full for dion
Tuesday, 29, April, 2008 at 11:25 pm |
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